tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post2567219637683098651..comments2023-10-02T08:28:06.724-05:00Comments on Ecology of Absence: Needed: Public InputMichael R. Allenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17262548806079447404noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-69053654402783705952008-11-14T20:45:00.000-06:002008-11-14T20:45:00.000-06:00I have been involved in organizing several communi...I have been involved in organizing several community based charettes and the results were similar smaller scale than the arch). <BR/>Low turnout was the rule, however the political representatives did attend. (Pagedale especially had the Mayor, alderpersons, police officials and a few others attend). If government representatives did not then there is a problem. <BR/>I have often thought a better strategy is to do some type of professional architectural jury (invited) right after the project and then have a public meeting several weeks later after the project has had time to be circulated among the public. (And the public can still be invited to the initial jury with comments if so desired).<BR/>This requires of course a concerted effort to get information to the public.GMichaudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17306482392151340818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-77386978268750350932008-11-13T13:11:00.000-06:002008-11-13T13:11:00.000-06:00The Arch grounds are federal property (so they the...The Arch grounds are federal property (so they theoretically belong to all of us), but the authorities in charge are very restrictive of citizen gatherings, political demonstrations, free speech, distributing literature, etc. Maybe this is part of the reason St. Louisan's feel distant from the Arch--we are treated like outsiders or criminals if we try to do any of these things! (Yes, people have been ticketed and arrested while performing the above mentioned acts.)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for posting on this on the St. Louis Independent Media Center.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-59291436116590264782008-11-13T12:07:00.000-06:002008-11-13T12:07:00.000-06:00The problem with the comments above is that if you...The problem with the comments above is that if you want to improve access, and nothing else, you better get involved.<BR/><BR/>Danforth has made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that their vision is to add programming to the Arch.<BR/><BR/>They see added programming as the way to justify improved connections.<BR/><BR/>They are not patient enough to start with improved access, see how that works, and then see if any further "improvements" are warranted.<BR/><BR/>Their approach is forcing a vision, rather than allowing incremental change.<BR/><BR/>By the time people are freaked out about heavy earth moving equipment regrading the site, it will already be too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-23452111111405353812008-11-13T08:44:00.000-06:002008-11-13T08:44:00.000-06:00A couple of things:- I didn't even know about this...A couple of things:<BR/><BR/>- I didn't even know about this charette, and I try to follow these matters as closely as I can. Was it well publicized?<BR/><BR/>- It seems like everything Danforth is associated with involves a ridiculous amount of meetings, plans, revisions to plans, meetings to discuss the revisions to plans, etc. - but little action. I remember attending meetings about riverfront redevelopment a few years back - many great ideas were proposed and absolutely nothing has happened since then. If the turnout wasn't good, perhaps people are getting the idea that these meetings are generally useless.<BR/><BR/>My thinking is leave the Arch grounds alone and improve connectivity. Get rid of the highway that cuts through downtown - the depressed section and the elevated section by Washington Avenue. If we absolutely HAVE TO have a museum downtown, build it somewhere else. <BR/><BR/>When we have firms leaving downtown, vacant buildings, etc., there are much bigger problems that need to be addressed downtown right now.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00654629805975076136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-44474935467421826722008-11-13T07:55:00.000-06:002008-11-13T07:55:00.000-06:00How many times have the public given their input o...How many times have the public given their input on various issues only to be discarded? The public attended the Gateway Mall presentations. How did the Administration proceed? They built a garden where National Register buildings once stood, demolitions which were justified under the auspices of the City needing new office space. Perhaps some lost their youthful optimism, patience, and do not wish to be disappointed by the delusion of being included in the decision making process?Doug Duckworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15684467055184767166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-73303198982065467172008-11-12T22:52:00.000-06:002008-11-12T22:52:00.000-06:00I actually felt like I was intruding.I actually felt like I was intruding.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08064334959354090683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-65337197155005609022008-11-12T22:42:00.000-06:002008-11-12T22:42:00.000-06:00I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying this, but I ...I'm not trying to be a jerk by saying this, but I think you're operating under a false assumption that people *would* care, in advance, about this issue. I'm not sensing a real buzz in the community about this issue, at all, aside from some of the civic blog(ger)s.<BR/><BR/>A less-cynical thought would be: because of the recent election, people's civic itch has been scratched for the time-being. They're in a resting state, until the next flash-point issue or bigger election. <BR/><BR/>Another thought is that people feel vaguely unsatisfied by the current, plain nature of the Arch grounds and, in their silence, are voting for "anything but..." <BR/><BR/>Of course, I'd also offer that if heavy machinery began moving earth around, say, tomorrow, everyone and their brother would be calling Charlie or McGraw, with fully-formed opinions and various shades of upset.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8826793.post-51061567692448964652008-11-12T20:58:00.000-06:002008-11-12T20:58:00.000-06:00I think what is missing is civic leadership. It w...I think what is missing is civic leadership. It would be good to see the Mayor, the Board of Aldermen, the County Executive, the County Council, the St. Charles and Jefferson County Executives, and their counterparts on the Illinois side, all come together and join in a leadership effort around this issue.<BR/><BR/>There is a lot of potential power here. Not in terms of political capital, but rather in terms of community capital. This project could bring a worldwide spotlight onto St. Louis and important urban issues. Our leaders have the opportunity to lead us to something wonderful.<BR/><BR/>Were there any elected officials at this week's charette activities? I'm almost afraid to ask...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com